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Path Loss Model for short range and low antenna height ? - RF Cafe
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Post subject: Path Loss Model for short range and low antenna height
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:51 pm
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Any suggestions for a simple 'Generic' model for
estimating path loss over short range (less than
1km) and with antennas at 1m.
I was very
surprised to find that the old faithfuls for example
the Hata-Okumura just don't cut the mustard for
this scenario. The Hata-Okumura is not valid below
1km and it base station antenna height minimum is
30m. Similar range and or antenna height limits
seem to be quite the norm for many other models.
The only model I could find was the log distance
model. Thats fine but it has no consideration for
antenna height at all and I have no idea where the
table of path loss exponents that are often cited
with this model originally come from? More painfully
though the path loss exponents dont cover suburban
or rural.
Any takers?
Steve
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:51 pm
Post subject: Re: Path Loss Model for short range
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Oops forgot to mention the frequency...... Around
900 MHz would be useful?
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Post subject: Re: Path Loss Model for short range and low antenna height
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:50 am
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I think you need to look into Airy's analysis of
the diffraction shadow zone. When radio was
demonstrated late in the 19th century, many physicists
and math dudes were consulted to try and analyze
and thus predict signal levels in the diffraction
zone. The curves given in the ITU-R tomes (I forget
the reference numbers until I get back to base)
for signal level vs distance over a smoothly curved
earth are heavily based on the work of Airy, who
seems to have been the most successful of the many
who looked into the problem. I believe the mechanism
is a two-component dielectric trapped wave, that
propagates partly in the high dielectric constant
medium (the ground) and partly in the air (k=1)
immediately above it. There has also been some work
done in the last 15 years for the same mechanism
but between sea water and the air. However, as it
relates to clandestine submarine communications,
it is still classified as far as I know.
_________________ At bottom, life is all
about Sucking in and blowing out.
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Post subject: Re: Path Loss Model for short range and low antenna height
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:20 am
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12:26 pm Posts: 17 |
Thanks for the tip, I will check that out.
Steve
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Post subject: Re: Path Loss Model for short range and low antenna height
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:56 am
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Hi steve,
Please have you been able to solve
the issues of antenna heights and the right propagation
model to use? I'm currently experiencing the same
problem. I need to analyze the link between two
mobile stations of 1.5m height transmitting in a
direct mode. Please could you share your findings
with me? Thanks in advance.
Deolah
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